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		<title>By: Dusti Drahota</title>
		<link>http://ecopreneurist.com/2008/12/02/charity-wash-facebook-supports-questionable-charities/comment-page-1/#comment-78834</link>
		<dc:creator>Dusti Drahota</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Facebook Charity Apps: (Lil) Green Patch and others &#171; Soulseeking&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Facebook Charity Apps: (Lil) Green Patch and others &#171; Soulseeking&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] other charity apps on Facebook, Green-writer Jennifer Kaplan on the website Ecopreneurist notes that Charity Navigator reveals that only seven out of over twenty or about a third were given [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hijacking Social Media: Doomed to Fail? : Ecopreneurist</title>
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		<title>By: Perla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this interesting post! To research charities, there&#039;s also www.greatnonprofits.org where you can read reviews of nonprofits.  The reviews are written by people with first-hand experience with the nonprofit - their clients, volunteers, board members, donors.  

Perla Ni
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this interesting post! To research charities, there&#8217;s also <a href="http://www.greatnonprofits.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.greatnonprofits.org</a> where you can read reviews of nonprofits.  The reviews are written by people with first-hand experience with the nonprofit &#8211; their clients, volunteers, board members, donors.  </p>
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		<title>By: Peter Willemson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Willemson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer - Yes, youre right. Some npos are not fiscally responsible, I agree. However, if you want to get into semantics (as you do above in your response to John&#039;s comment), then it is a fact that you are calling all of the non 4-star rated charities on the FB app &quot;questionable&quot;. I&#039;d say its a fact that questionable is an inherently negative term. If you disagree, then I think you are blatantly defending your words with, well, semantics. We all agree you need to do your homework when giving, but here you are saying that FB / causes did NOT do its homework on these causes, then you call them questionable, then you title your article the same. What you are missing is that none of the causes you speak of here are causes that, as you say &quot;focus on perpetuating their own organizations rather than providing better services&quot;. This is your problem, Jennifer, You have a good point with your article (buyer beware / do your homework), but you pick on the wrong guys. I, too, know a lot about NPOs, and 80% for program expenses is not abrud by any stretch. 

Jennifer, you are trying to make a point the wrong way, and you are trying to &quot;bundle&quot; all this evidence t support something in a very neat and tidy way, but it doesnt work like that in real life. 

It is very clear in your writing that you have a pre-existing assmuption that people and orgnizations are out to screw you and pull one over. You say this (yes, you do - dont get into semantics with me, please) about Facebook, Forbes, and several organizations. I question your understanding of the nonprofit world. Yes, the guy at Youth services is paid 6% of revenue. I know firsthand that in certain situations, it is better to have someone who may cost  more because he or she can run the organization 10 times better than someone else. And guess what? That does not make them evil, that just means they are in demand an they may need to make a certain amount to keep their home and send kids to college. OK, so people should give to Youth Services Internationl if its program expenses were higher? Consider this: if my 25 year old niece went to run it for free, then it would be at 86%, right? But personally, Id rather know my money is being allocated and spent according to the vision and execution skills of a worthy manager who i in demand because he or she has relevant experience. And te free market economy (supply ad demand) DOES exist in the npo world. You need to think more about dollar amount, and less about %&#039;s. If someone is running a nfp and making less than $150K, then an argument that  that person is &quot;perpetuating the organization instead of....&quot;, I disagree with. If someone is making $300K, and its  a higher than average % of revenue, then yes, that is wasteful. Remember that that % changes based on the revenue figure. Next year, youre going to see all these salary %&#039;s rise. Why? Because the people sweating to run these still need t pay their mortgages and tuition, but they are receiving less in donations with this economy. 

Your article would have been a lot better had you said to, for example, &quot;see if the cause&#039;s programs are redundant [with those of another npo]&quot;. In THIS situation, then yes, one should donate to the organization with the better numbers (if the dollars are going to help the same thing). But youre going by numbers alone. Your article very clearly says that the smarter move is to donate to those organizations with a higher rating and better numbers. Jennifer, what is your plan to build futbol fields in south america and achieve a &quot;4 star&quot; rating right away? GO on, spend 50+ hours a week making this happen, pay your rent, car payment, etc, and have a ridiculously positive, tangible impact in the lives of these young people. Ill bet youd find that you couldnt make it to 4 stars right away. Well then, I guess you better give up, because then people shouldnt be donating to you, right? Sorry kids, no fields. I can understand if someone ELSE were already doing the same thing, and it was a redundant organization. But for me to decide I want to give to help make these fields a reality for these children, then I am willing to send 100 bucks knowing that 20 will get spent paying for the guy flying down to help build the fields eat and have a place to live while he is there. Ill tell my friends what he&#039;s doing, then when we help them double the donations next year, guess what? His salary % is half of what it was. See where &quot;big bad evil Facebook&quot; (Causes, actually) is going with this? Newsflash: The internet generation is more excited by a guy who devotes his life to making things like this happen than they are by giving another $10 to the &quot;4 star&quot; Red Cross. 

Do you want to be the one to tell those kids using their soccer field that they wont be making any more because they dont have a headquarters? The organization builds fields for kids to play soccer, and youre dogging npo&#039;s left and right for being wasteful, then you take a picture of the house, interview neighbors and we are supposed to agree this makes it not legitimate because they dont pay rent to have a headquarters they dont need. Does that make sense to you? And dont hide behind semantics Jennifer, you called it questionable, got facts wrong and imply, imply, imply left and right that these are all charities undeserving of our donatons. If you want to  write an article making sure that people know to do research, fine. But don&#039;t screw up your own research, criticize worthy causes, criticize everyone involved in trying to help these causes and sensationalize your story with conspiracy theories. Next time, how about just saying &quot;make sure you do your research on your charities&quot;. 

Honestly Jennifer, I dont mean to come across as mean or rude. I know you have good intentions here, I do, and I commend you for that.  But you need to not &quot;attack&quot; as much, or else youre going to make all of us liberals look bad because, well, it doesnt hold much weight in reality - it just supports a very subjective theory that you are writing to defend. You will be a much happier person if you dont assume that businesses, people and organizations are all out to get you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer &#8211; Yes, youre right. Some npos are not fiscally responsible, I agree. However, if you want to get into semantics (as you do above in your response to John&#8217;s comment), then it is a fact that you are calling all of the non 4-star rated charities on the FB app &#8220;questionable&#8221;. I&#8217;d say its a fact that questionable is an inherently negative term. If you disagree, then I think you are blatantly defending your words with, well, semantics. We all agree you need to do your homework when giving, but here you are saying that FB / causes did NOT do its homework on these causes, then you call them questionable, then you title your article the same. What you are missing is that none of the causes you speak of here are causes that, as you say &#8220;focus on perpetuating their own organizations rather than providing better services&#8221;. This is your problem, Jennifer, You have a good point with your article (buyer beware / do your homework), but you pick on the wrong guys. I, too, know a lot about NPOs, and 80% for program expenses is not abrud by any stretch. </p>
<p>Jennifer, you are trying to make a point the wrong way, and you are trying to &#8220;bundle&#8221; all this evidence t support something in a very neat and tidy way, but it doesnt work like that in real life. </p>
<p>It is very clear in your writing that you have a pre-existing assmuption that people and orgnizations are out to screw you and pull one over. You say this (yes, you do &#8211; dont get into semantics with me, please) about Facebook, Forbes, and several organizations. I question your understanding of the nonprofit world. Yes, the guy at Youth services is paid 6% of revenue. I know firsthand that in certain situations, it is better to have someone who may cost  more because he or she can run the organization 10 times better than someone else. And guess what? That does not make them evil, that just means they are in demand an they may need to make a certain amount to keep their home and send kids to college. OK, so people should give to Youth Services Internationl if its program expenses were higher? Consider this: if my 25 year old niece went to run it for free, then it would be at 86%, right? But personally, Id rather know my money is being allocated and spent according to the vision and execution skills of a worthy manager who i in demand because he or she has relevant experience. And te free market economy (supply ad demand) DOES exist in the npo world. You need to think more about dollar amount, and less about %&#8217;s. If someone is running a nfp and making less than $150K, then an argument that  that person is &#8220;perpetuating the organization instead of&#8230;.&#8221;, I disagree with. If someone is making $300K, and its  a higher than average % of revenue, then yes, that is wasteful. Remember that that % changes based on the revenue figure. Next year, youre going to see all these salary %&#8217;s rise. Why? Because the people sweating to run these still need t pay their mortgages and tuition, but they are receiving less in donations with this economy. </p>
<p>Your article would have been a lot better had you said to, for example, &#8220;see if the cause&#8217;s programs are redundant [with those of another npo]&#8220;. In THIS situation, then yes, one should donate to the organization with the better numbers (if the dollars are going to help the same thing). But youre going by numbers alone. Your article very clearly says that the smarter move is to donate to those organizations with a higher rating and better numbers. Jennifer, what is your plan to build futbol fields in south america and achieve a &#8220;4 star&#8221; rating right away? GO on, spend 50+ hours a week making this happen, pay your rent, car payment, etc, and have a ridiculously positive, tangible impact in the lives of these young people. Ill bet youd find that you couldnt make it to 4 stars right away. Well then, I guess you better give up, because then people shouldnt be donating to you, right? Sorry kids, no fields. I can understand if someone ELSE were already doing the same thing, and it was a redundant organization. But for me to decide I want to give to help make these fields a reality for these children, then I am willing to send 100 bucks knowing that 20 will get spent paying for the guy flying down to help build the fields eat and have a place to live while he is there. Ill tell my friends what he&#8217;s doing, then when we help them double the donations next year, guess what? His salary % is half of what it was. See where &#8220;big bad evil Facebook&#8221; (Causes, actually) is going with this? Newsflash: The internet generation is more excited by a guy who devotes his life to making things like this happen than they are by giving another $10 to the &#8220;4 star&#8221; Red Cross. </p>
<p>Do you want to be the one to tell those kids using their soccer field that they wont be making any more because they dont have a headquarters? The organization builds fields for kids to play soccer, and youre dogging npo&#8217;s left and right for being wasteful, then you take a picture of the house, interview neighbors and we are supposed to agree this makes it not legitimate because they dont pay rent to have a headquarters they dont need. Does that make sense to you? And dont hide behind semantics Jennifer, you called it questionable, got facts wrong and imply, imply, imply left and right that these are all charities undeserving of our donatons. If you want to  write an article making sure that people know to do research, fine. But don&#8217;t screw up your own research, criticize worthy causes, criticize everyone involved in trying to help these causes and sensationalize your story with conspiracy theories. Next time, how about just saying &#8220;make sure you do your research on your charities&#8221;. </p>
<p>Honestly Jennifer, I dont mean to come across as mean or rude. I know you have good intentions here, I do, and I commend you for that.  But you need to not &#8220;attack&#8221; as much, or else youre going to make all of us liberals look bad because, well, it doesnt hold much weight in reality &#8211; it just supports a very subjective theory that you are writing to defend. You will be a much happier person if you dont assume that businesses, people and organizations are all out to get you.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the Director of a not-for profit I am glad to see that people are beginning to ask why we fund groups that are not ranked as A plus or four star groups.  Companies like Facebook should use the Internet and other tools to make sure that their recommendations are based on the highest standards.  People trust Facebook and other screeners to do the homework about who is using their money wisely, so that we as consumers can make our choices responsibly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the Director of a not-for profit I am glad to see that people are beginning to ask why we fund groups that are not ranked as A plus or four star groups.  Companies like Facebook should use the Internet and other tools to make sure that their recommendations are based on the highest standards.  People trust Facebook and other screeners to do the homework about who is using their money wisely, so that we as consumers can make our choices responsibly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Kaplan</title>
		<link>http://ecopreneurist.com/2008/12/02/charity-wash-facebook-supports-questionable-charities/comment-page-1/#comment-11391</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I researched this article thoroughly.  I made two factual errors (about whether a website existed and whether hospitals are 501c3s) and other than that there are no factual errors.  The post was not about the entire Causes app, but rather the app that allows users to choose one of 21 groups to donate to and then have an icon placed on the recipient&#039;s Facebook page. This app PROMOTES 21 charities, it is far more than a list of 1.5 million causes. If you read the post, I clearly state I am writing about that specific app.  But, I generally disagree that Facebook holds no responsibility for the content of its apps.

And, again, this isn&#039;t about the &quot;legitimacy&quot; of the groups, but rather the efficacy.  Not all 501c3s (the definition of a legitimate charity) are well run or use their donations in an effective way.  Again, in the words of The Philanthropy Journal: far too many nonprofits focus more on perpetuating their own organizations than on improving the way they do business or deliver services.

You may not like my thesis, but its not about inadequate research.  If I read your comment correctly, you don&#039;t think its &quot;unique or newsworthy&quot; for a huge social network site to promote charities of widely varying efficacy.  Its a fact that Facebook does just that. 

However, we do agree on one thing: Buyer beware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I researched this article thoroughly.  I made two factual errors (about whether a website existed and whether hospitals are 501c3s) and other than that there are no factual errors.  The post was not about the entire Causes app, but rather the app that allows users to choose one of 21 groups to donate to and then have an icon placed on the recipient&#8217;s Facebook page. This app PROMOTES 21 charities, it is far more than a list of 1.5 million causes. If you read the post, I clearly state I am writing about that specific app.  But, I generally disagree that Facebook holds no responsibility for the content of its apps.</p>
<p>And, again, this isn&#8217;t about the &#8220;legitimacy&#8221; of the groups, but rather the efficacy.  Not all 501c3s (the definition of a legitimate charity) are well run or use their donations in an effective way.  Again, in the words of The Philanthropy Journal: far too many nonprofits focus more on perpetuating their own organizations than on improving the way they do business or deliver services.</p>
<p>You may not like my thesis, but its not about inadequate research.  If I read your comment correctly, you don&#8217;t think its &#8220;unique or newsworthy&#8221; for a huge social network site to promote charities of widely varying efficacy.  Its a fact that Facebook does just that. </p>
<p>However, we do agree on one thing: Buyer beware.</p>
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		<title>By: John Corman</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Corman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it should also be noted that these charity gifts are produced by an independent application on Facebook that is a separate company.  Your article misleadingly says that Facebook is &quot;jumping into&quot; the charity gift market, which is false.  That&#039;s like criticizing Google for the items that appear in its search results.  

As for the charities supported on the Causes application, they all appear to be legitimate charities.  This application supports donations to all 1.5 million registered 501c3 organizations in the US, so the onus is on the user to vet the organization with Charity Navigator or another such rating service before sending a charity gift or making any other kind of donation.  

I don&#039;t see what is unique or newsworthy about any of this and I&#039;m disturbed how poorly-researched this article appears to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it should also be noted that these charity gifts are produced by an independent application on Facebook that is a separate company.  Your article misleadingly says that Facebook is &#8220;jumping into&#8221; the charity gift market, which is false.  That&#8217;s like criticizing Google for the items that appear in its search results.  </p>
<p>As for the charities supported on the Causes application, they all appear to be legitimate charities.  This application supports donations to all 1.5 million registered 501c3 organizations in the US, so the onus is on the user to vet the organization with Charity Navigator or another such rating service before sending a charity gift or making any other kind of donation.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see what is unique or newsworthy about any of this and I&#8217;m disturbed how poorly-researched this article appears to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For more information on why the address for Love Futbol is a residence, check out this Washington Post article about the founder: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/10/14/ST2008101400045.html.  Wouldn&#039;t you say that reducing overhead by not paying rent on an additional office space is actually being fiscally responsible?  If you&#039;re looking for nonprofits to change the way they run things to reduce costs and break out of &quot;an old-school nonprofit mentality&quot;, please don&#039;t jump to conclusions when they use creative ways to reduce spending that doesn&#039;t conform to what you think nonprofits should look or act like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more information on why the address for Love Futbol is a residence, check out this Washington Post article about the founder: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/10/14/ST2008101400045.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/10/14/ST2008101400045.html</a>.  Wouldn&#8217;t you say that reducing overhead by not paying rent on an additional office space is actually being fiscally responsible?  If you&#8217;re looking for nonprofits to change the way they run things to reduce costs and break out of &#8220;an old-school nonprofit mentality&#8221;, please don&#8217;t jump to conclusions when they use creative ways to reduce spending that doesn&#8217;t conform to what you think nonprofits should look or act like.</p>
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		<title>By: mcmilker</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcmilker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very good discussion and raises some very interesting points.

1. It&#039;s pretty hard for an educated and informed, let alone a typical person to determine which charities manager their money appropriately.

2. There is indeed a need for more transparency in charitable organizations.

3. It&#039;s a shame that organizations agree to sponsor or promote charities without doing their homework. 

This type of open discussion educates and enlightens those of us interested in donating. I received an email yesterday from the owner of a large networking site currently in beta, noting that after reading this article she realized she needed to pout on her list, &quot;vetting charities&quot; as they ramp up....which I think is the point of this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very good discussion and raises some very interesting points.</p>
<p>1. It&#8217;s pretty hard for an educated and informed, let alone a typical person to determine which charities manager their money appropriately.</p>
<p>2. There is indeed a need for more transparency in charitable organizations.</p>
<p>3. It&#8217;s a shame that organizations agree to sponsor or promote charities without doing their homework. </p>
<p>This type of open discussion educates and enlightens those of us interested in donating. I received an email yesterday from the owner of a large networking site currently in beta, noting that after reading this article she realized she needed to pout on her list, &#8220;vetting charities&#8221; as they ramp up&#8230;.which I think is the point of this article.</p>
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