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	<title>Comments on: Bottled Water VIPs Think We Are Anti-Corporate, Capitalism-Haters</title>
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		<title>By: Keith Rockmael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Rockmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure if this has been addressed in all the comments but 1 liter Bottled Water uses 26 Liters Water + 1 Kg Fossil Fuel + 1 Pound CO2.

How much water is used to make 1 liter?? 26 Liters!!!. Forget carbon footprint but talk about waterprint. 

Use the tap!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure if this has been addressed in all the comments but 1 liter Bottled Water uses 26 Liters Water + 1 Kg Fossil Fuel + 1 Pound CO2.</p>
<p>How much water is used to make 1 liter?? 26 Liters!!!. Forget carbon footprint but talk about waterprint. </p>
<p>Use the tap!</p>
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		<title>By: TIME Covers the War on the Water Front - Singles Out Nestle &#124; Stop Nestle Waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>TIME Covers the War on the Water Front - Singles Out Nestle &#124; Stop Nestle Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] its recent efforts to greenwash its bottled water efforts, that seems [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Kaplan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to amend my last comment because it came out kinda wrong (I was typing in the Tampa airport and suing their free WiFi).  What I meant to say was that regardless of any other gripes I have about the industry I have been trying, in this series of posts, to stick to the topic of greenwash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to amend my last comment because it came out kinda wrong (I was typing in the Tampa airport and suing their free WiFi).  What I meant to say was that regardless of any other gripes I have about the industry I have been trying, in this series of posts, to stick to the topic of greenwash.</p>
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		<title>By: TC/StopNestleWaters.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>TC/StopNestleWaters.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I ask the Nestle-hater: some of IBWA’s member companies trace back to 1820s using and protecting the same springs sources, yet you state they are not good stewards. How wrong you are!&quot;

If I am a &quot;Nestle-hater&quot; as you so quaintly put it (better a name-calling offense than doomed defense, I suppose), then I&#039;m entirely the creation of the Nestle hyper-active legal department.

Stewardship? In Florida, Nestle aggressively lobbied to extract 1.47-million gallons per day from drought-stricken Blue Springs - while state water scientists wanted the amount set at 400,000 gallons per day to protect the spring, running at the lowest flows ever recorded.

They were ordered to cease pumping in Michigan due to damage to the watershed, and in McCloud, cheerily kept repeating the mantra that their 160,000 acre foot withdrawal wouldn&#039;t harm anything downstream - despite never conducting a single flow monitoring study.

These are simply a handful of highlights. Stewardship? Please.

BTW Mr. Lauria - PET recycling rates have actually declined (The EPA includes compost [leaf collection] in its 30 percent nationwide recycling rate), and my assertion that Nestles uses exactly 0% recycled materials in its current packaging is apparently correct. The idea that a plastic shortage is the cause is laughable; prices for recycled plastic products have plummeted in the last few months, suggesting a lack in demand.

The industry&#039;s logic is typically twisted; a better answer than recycling is to not plasticize something that comes out of the faucet in the first place.



This is bottled spring water&#039;s forgotten toll - the rural communities overrun with trucks, split by divisive tactics imposed by predatory companies and their sizable legal departments - while their six-figure spokespersons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I ask the Nestle-hater: some of IBWA’s member companies trace back to 1820s using and protecting the same springs sources, yet you state they are not good stewards. How wrong you are!&#8221;</p>
<p>If I am a &#8220;Nestle-hater&#8221; as you so quaintly put it (better a name-calling offense than doomed defense, I suppose), then I&#8217;m entirely the creation of the Nestle hyper-active legal department.</p>
<p>Stewardship? In Florida, Nestle aggressively lobbied to extract 1.47-million gallons per day from drought-stricken Blue Springs &#8211; while state water scientists wanted the amount set at 400,000 gallons per day to protect the spring, running at the lowest flows ever recorded.</p>
<p>They were ordered to cease pumping in Michigan due to damage to the watershed, and in McCloud, cheerily kept repeating the mantra that their 160,000 acre foot withdrawal wouldn&#8217;t harm anything downstream &#8211; despite never conducting a single flow monitoring study.</p>
<p>These are simply a handful of highlights. Stewardship? Please.</p>
<p>BTW Mr. Lauria &#8211; PET recycling rates have actually declined (The EPA includes compost [leaf collection] in its 30 percent nationwide recycling rate), and my assertion that Nestles uses exactly 0% recycled materials in its current packaging is apparently correct. The idea that a plastic shortage is the cause is laughable; prices for recycled plastic products have plummeted in the last few months, suggesting a lack in demand.</p>
<p>The industry&#8217;s logic is typically twisted; a better answer than recycling is to not plasticize something that comes out of the faucet in the first place.</p>
<p>This is bottled spring water&#8217;s forgotten toll &#8211; the rural communities overrun with trucks, split by divisive tactics imposed by predatory companies and their sizable legal departments &#8211; while their six-figure spokespersons</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Kaplan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For consumers who want to see an unbiased report on bottled water check out 
ABC New&#039;s report: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/Story?id=728070&amp;page=3

Bottom line: bottled water is neither safer nor better tasting (in blind taste tests) than municipal water. 

Also, please let me be clear.  My personal objection is the marketing behind &quot;eco-bottles&quot;  not the bottled water industry.  You won&#039;t find me saying big bottled water companies should close up shop.  But, I would like to see them stop buls***ting us about how their bottles are good, actually good, for the environment.  Let&#039;s just start with that single issue.  I pose this single question to the industry: why not focus on a more honest consumer benefit like taste or safety (if those claims can factually be made)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For consumers who want to see an unbiased report on bottled water check out<br />
ABC New&#8217;s report: <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/Story?id=728070&#038;page=3" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/Story?id=728070&#038;page=3</a></p>
<p>Bottom line: bottled water is neither safer nor better tasting (in blind taste tests) than municipal water. </p>
<p>Also, please let me be clear.  My personal objection is the marketing behind &#8220;eco-bottles&#8221;  not the bottled water industry.  You won&#8217;t find me saying big bottled water companies should close up shop.  But, I would like to see them stop buls***ting us about how their bottles are good, actually good, for the environment.  Let&#8217;s just start with that single issue.  I pose this single question to the industry: why not focus on a more honest consumer benefit like taste or safety (if those claims can factually be made)?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Lauria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Lauria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the Common Man:  Looks like we&#039;re damned if we do; damned if we don&#039;t.  If I ignore the chatter here, I&#039;m elitist and uncaring &quot;corporate shill -- if I participate in the discussion, then my industy must be &quot;desperate.&quot; Well, this is one corporate type who wants to advance understanding about hydration needs and recycling EVERYTHING. We have a lot to discuss and I am here -- even while I&#039;m vacationing with my family in snowy upstate New York.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the Common Man:  Looks like we&#8217;re damned if we do; damned if we don&#8217;t.  If I ignore the chatter here, I&#8217;m elitist and uncaring &#8220;corporate shill &#8212; if I participate in the discussion, then my industy must be &#8220;desperate.&#8221; Well, this is one corporate type who wants to advance understanding about hydration needs and recycling EVERYTHING. We have a lot to discuss and I am here &#8212; even while I&#8217;m vacationing with my family in snowy upstate New York.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Talarico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Talarico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IN DEFENSE OF THE BOTTLED WATER INDUSTRY  
 I feel all negativity toward the bottled water industry is totally rediculous.  The reason people drink bottled water is because they do not trust our public water systems to be safe; period. We do not 
want to drink flouide and other chemicals that flow through old rusty pipes. Pure Bottled Water is the healthiest choice. Unlike soda loaded with chemicals and toxins, and/or bottled juice fermenting in large vats waiting to be bottled; if you choose to drink the recycled sewer water it is your choice. Go ahead, live it up. But we who prefer our bottled water prefer the choice.
  About eight years ago I became a bottled water only drinker when the municipality where I lived sent out a letter in December;the water in September,October,and November was unfit to drink. (Three months after the fact.) 
  Fact is, municipal water is repeatedly found contaminated, unfit to drink, &quot;Boil Alert&quot;. How often is bottled water found unfit to drink? To me it is a clear choice that should be left to the consumer. Pure or Poision!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IN DEFENSE OF THE BOTTLED WATER INDUSTRY<br />
 I feel all negativity toward the bottled water industry is totally rediculous.  The reason people drink bottled water is because they do not trust our public water systems to be safe; period. We do not<br />
want to drink flouide and other chemicals that flow through old rusty pipes. Pure Bottled Water is the healthiest choice. Unlike soda loaded with chemicals and toxins, and/or bottled juice fermenting in large vats waiting to be bottled; if you choose to drink the recycled sewer water it is your choice. Go ahead, live it up. But we who prefer our bottled water prefer the choice.<br />
  About eight years ago I became a bottled water only drinker when the municipality where I lived sent out a letter in December;the water in September,October,and November was unfit to drink. (Three months after the fact.)<br />
  Fact is, municipal water is repeatedly found contaminated, unfit to drink, &#8220;Boil Alert&#8221;. How often is bottled water found unfit to drink? To me it is a clear choice that should be left to the consumer. Pure or Poision!</p>
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		<title>By: common man</title>
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		<dc:creator>common man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things must be getting pretty rough for the bottled water industry if their representation (IBWA) is monitoring and providing comments on this blog to try to substantiate the value of its product!  And by the way, recycling rates for PET have actually come down quite a bit since bottled water consumption has increased in recent years.  I argue that bottled water drinkers are fat, lazy, and don&#039;t care about how their actions affect the environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things must be getting pretty rough for the bottled water industry if their representation (IBWA) is monitoring and providing comments on this blog to try to substantiate the value of its product!  And by the way, recycling rates for PET have actually come down quite a bit since bottled water consumption has increased in recent years.  I argue that bottled water drinkers are fat, lazy, and don&#8217;t care about how their actions affect the environment.</p>
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		<title>By: John Simonetta</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Simonetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now on the Entrepreneur side of this issue.

I am still surprised no one is making water stations to fill all those Nalgenes and Siggs for those on the go people Tom mentions. 

Most bottles are standard sizes 250Ml, 500Ml, 1L, right?

When I lived in Istanbul (a long time ago) there was what looked like a gas station down the street from my apartment. It was actually a water station for fresh clean water. I have seen something like it a Wal-Mart for 5+ gallon water cooler jugs.

Someone - entrepreneurs listen - someone could make a water station the size of soda machine or smaller that dispenses exactly 250ML, 500ML or 1L of fresh clean water for the folks with reusable bottles. Place these as stations in coffee shops, etc., or wherever soda machines work today. 

(Yes you can refill from a tap for free, but sometimes there is no tap or you are somewhere that tap water is not the best option. Whatever, let us assume the consumer wants to pay for water).

For the seller the margins are better as you no longer need to pay for packaging or the added weight of that packaging. 

For the Eco and health crowd you get fresh clean water, for less than bottled and without the plastic bottle baggage.

I really think there is an idea here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now on the Entrepreneur side of this issue.</p>
<p>I am still surprised no one is making water stations to fill all those Nalgenes and Siggs for those on the go people Tom mentions. </p>
<p>Most bottles are standard sizes 250Ml, 500Ml, 1L, right?</p>
<p>When I lived in Istanbul (a long time ago) there was what looked like a gas station down the street from my apartment. It was actually a water station for fresh clean water. I have seen something like it a Wal-Mart for 5+ gallon water cooler jugs.</p>
<p>Someone &#8211; entrepreneurs listen &#8211; someone could make a water station the size of soda machine or smaller that dispenses exactly 250ML, 500ML or 1L of fresh clean water for the folks with reusable bottles. Place these as stations in coffee shops, etc., or wherever soda machines work today. </p>
<p>(Yes you can refill from a tap for free, but sometimes there is no tap or you are somewhere that tap water is not the best option. Whatever, let us assume the consumer wants to pay for water).</p>
<p>For the seller the margins are better as you no longer need to pay for packaging or the added weight of that packaging. </p>
<p>For the Eco and health crowd you get fresh clean water, for less than bottled and without the plastic bottle baggage.</p>
<p>I really think there is an idea here.</p>
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		<title>By: John Simonetta</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Simonetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He told me it just isn’t feasible to carry around a reusable bottle.&quot; ?????

Do you know how many 10,000s of reusable/refillable promo water bottles my industry sells a year (I wish more came from recycled material but that is another story).

If it was truly not feasible we would not be selling so many of the darn things. What an incredibly silly thing to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He told me it just isn’t feasible to carry around a reusable bottle.&#8221; ?????</p>
<p>Do you know how many 10,000s of reusable/refillable promo water bottles my industry sells a year (I wish more came from recycled material but that is another story).</p>
<p>If it was truly not feasible we would not be selling so many of the darn things. What an incredibly silly thing to say.</p>
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